Podcast Ep. 67 – When it Ends it Begins

Larry Olsen September 14, 2021


For 25-years Jim has been writing books (10), keynote speaking (150+), and building successful lifestyle businesses as a marketing entrepreneur. But the pandemic and a near-death diagnosis of colon cancer changed everything for Jim in 2020, so he threw away all his past success to start something completely different, a new brand called Life Apocalypse. Listen and you’ll learn what you’ve taken away from the 2020+ pandemic. Learn more about Jim and take on his challenge at: https://www.jimkukral.com/


Larry Olsen: Welcome. I’m Larry Olsen, and what’s on your mind? Once set, it delivers your life. To change the outcomes we want, we must change the plays we’re running. Join us at Mindset Playbook with Real people – Real talk for Real insight.


Narrator: Today’s episode is sponsored by Aperneo, An Achievement Acceleration Company, whose approach to professional development enables clients to gain insights and perspectives to live, work, and engage with more success.  


Larry Olsen  I want to welcome everybody to mind set playbook and thank you, because you took the time to invest in self by tuning in today. And I know Jim and I both appreciate that and want to make sure that this is more than worth your time. So, I want to welcome our guests today, Jim Kukral, who I’ll share a bit of Jim’s background before we begin our interview. For 25 years, Jim has been writing books at this point, ten years and he may have the 11th on the way. He’s done a few keynote speeches, which is over one hundred and fifty of them, and building successful lifestyle businesses as a marketing entrepreneur. But the pandemic and a near death diagnosis of colon cancer changed everything for Jim. In 2020, so he threw away all his past successes to start something completely different, a new brand called Life Apocalypse. Jim created Life Apocalypse to help people like him who are thinking about legacy, death, lifestyle, and life purpose. Many people he’s spoken to have told him that after this pandemic, they want to do things differently. They want to live and think differently with the life apocalypse brand, which is basically the end of something, from my experience of the word apocalypse. He also has a free 21-day challenge, which I challenge all of you to, to ask yourself, are you willing to take that on? Because I’m sure Jim is going to share a little about that during our interview. Jim is addressing mindset, impact, and purpose in helping people live a fulfilling life. Jim, I want to thank you for your time today and start our interview with this question. Why the life apocalypse brand and why should anyone care?


Jim Kukral [00:02:17] Well, thank you so much for having me here, Larry. Big fan, and I love how you’re helping businesses and individuals get the right mindset. You know, I have mindset tattooed on my arm. It’s kind of hard to see it, but I have the words mindset, lifestyle, impact, purpose, and family tattooed on my arm. That is one of the things that I did after 2020. But thank you for having me here. 2020 was the greatest year of my life. Not many people are going to say that right.


Larry Olsen [00:02:47] Correct.


Jim Kukral [00:02:49] It was the greatest year of my life. I say that now because I realized a lot of things after 20, 20, as you mentioned, I got colon cancer in the middle of a global pandemic, which, by the way, is a great time to get cancer. I was joke with my wife. I said no one’s going anywhere anyway. So, you’re sick, you’re at home, you’re doing chemotherapy. You’re not missing out on anything. That’s how I live my life. That’s my attitude. So, you know, I realized that after last year that I had not wasted the last 25 years and a career in marketing. But I. I was never passionate about marketing. Think about it. I’ve been calling myself a marketer for 25 years. I’ll be 50 years old this year. People hate marketers, right? They don’t like the word. But I say that I would never think about it. But you know what? People don’t like marketing. They think it’s fake. They think it’s trying to bamboozle them. I was also a politician for a couple of years, so I’ve been a marketer and a politician, which is two things that people really dislike. Right. So, after 2020 after the pandemic, after colon cancer, I had this epiphany and the epiphany was, figure out what you’re really passionate about. Move forward, try to find your legacy, your purpose in life, create the right mindset. And that’s where life apocalypse came from. And apocalypse actually really means revelation. OK, people think of the word apocalypse, and it gets co-opted by, you know, the end of days and frogs raining and, you know, zombies. Right. But the reality is, is the true core meaning of the world is a revelation. So, when people have a revelation, that’s exactly what I’m talking about from 2020. And what I have found is that 2020 created the greatest shift in mindset in human history.  And I think this is going to hold up 100 years from now, 200 years from now. What you have now is billions, billions and billions of people who have decided that life could literally end any day more than more effect than World Wars or 9/11. Terrible tragedy, right? But the pandemic, the coronavirus pandemic really changed the way people think. And they’re all starting to think about how do I move forward. This is proof positive when you look at how many people don’t want to go back to work, Larry. Right. They don’t want to deal with a boss they don’t like anymore. They figure, hey, I’m happy working at a gas station making twenty five percent less than I was making at this job as long as I’m happy. Right. So that’s why we’re here. That’s what this is all about. It’s about creating revelations in people’s lives and helping them get to where they want to be.


Larry Olsen [00:05:46] So before someone can have a revelation, something is had to occur that’s got their attention. So, what happened to you that generated this awareness not only about being a politician and into marketing and, you know, not everybody shares that perception. It’s such an evil and bad thing. But I understand we are coming out. But what was it that you went through that got you to really be transparent with yourself as possible to say, you know, I don’t like I don’t like this? What happened to for that to occur for you?


Jim Kukral [00:06:28] So most people view their lives in a straight line. If you think about your life from birth to death on a chart, you think, here’s me on the left and then to the right. And then everything that happens in between is just a straight line. We all know that is a fallacy. That’s how we view our lives, though. The reality is that line does this and this and up and down and right. And those moments are what I call life apocalyptic events. All right. A life apocalypse is a transitional moment that’s in your life that is usually not self-imposed, but it can be. And it greatly directs how your life moves forward. Right. So, you grow up. So, a cancer diagnosis, right? A job that you got, your first kiss, the person you married, a divorce, all kinds of different things that can happen over the course of your life. So, for me specifically, I was already in the middle of a midlife crisis and then a global pandemic and then I got sick. All right. So, a hyper acceleration occurred in the last 365 days. And the real actual moment, though, I can tell you exactly what it was. It was 22 minutes that changed my life. OK, when I went in for surgery in August 2020 rushed me into surgery to get rid of a fist sized tumor in my lower colon. They prepped me in the Cleveland Clinic, and they rolled me back to the surgical room and they left me in front of the surgical room. And normally they’re supposed to take you into the room, but they just dropped me off like I was a loaf of bread or something, you know, like a stack of cookies. They left me there and they left me alone. It was an error. And I sat there. There was a clock above my head right on the wall. And I sat alone in a hallway watching the medical students and the doctors go past. And no one talked to me, and I looked, and it was twenty-two minutes of alone time. And I had twenty-two minutes sitting there alone thinking about what the rest of my life was going to be or thinking about what I wanted to do differently. What meant the most to me, what would happen if I died. My kids, you know, all those things. It was, it was an emotional experience and I kept watching the clock tick and finally someone came out and took me into the room and then they sliced me open. And here I am today. I thank God. But that twenty-two-minute period was the most introspective moment of my life. And I know a lot of people have moments like that as well. I’m not the first person to go through surgery, but that’s the exact moment that I knew I wanted to change things. So, I retired from marketing, and I threw away a twenty-five-year career. And now I have life apocalypse and I’m spending my time trying to help other people figure out how to live their legacy, their purpose, and create impact in their lives.


Larry Olsen [00:09:24] Beautiful. Here’s what I think is a big difference between how you handle the apocalypse and how other people handle apocalypses in their life. You didn’t let it hold you back. It accelerated you. I’ve been divorced, you know, so I’ll probably never get married again. You know, my children are gone now, so that part of my life is over and in. And we can have a tendency as human beings to regress and to get held back by some of these life altering events and just chalk it up as that. That’s part of the struggle. What was different, do you think, so that other people can benefit from this? Were you turned this into a positive?


Jim Kukral [00:10:17] Well, everybody’s heard of PTSD, post-traumatic stress disorder. So, let’s go back to what I said a few minutes ago. OK, the global pandemic, whether you believe in it or not, or whatever it created. Billions of people with PTSD, which is a clinical medical fact, is a real tragedy that happens to people for small things and big things wore down to getting a divorce. So, PTSD is a legitimate thing. And think about how this happens to billions of people at once. Right. Really think about how big of a global impact that has created. Well, personally, I believe in something. I believe in PTSD, but I also believe in something called PTG. Which is Post Traumatic Growth. OK, so there are two ways, as you aptly pointed out, that you can come out of our life apocalypse, an apocalyptic event. You can treat it as a stress, right, and you can let it bring you down, or you can be one of those people who treats it as a growth thing. And that’s why I came up with life apoc.com because I believe there’s a four-step formula to getting past. That trauma, right, and I believe it has to do with mindset, which I’m sure you agree with, right? Has to do with lifestyle that you want to have and then impact and purpose. So that’s how I handle that situation.  The problem is, Larry, as you know. A lot of people don’t have that same thought process, right? You know William James, who’s the father of modern psychology. You know, everyone thinks Freud when they think modern psychology, they think Freud’s like, no, William James is like the you know, he’s the Jeff Bezos, right. He’s the guy who invented modern psychology. Right. He’s the leader in in the groundwork for modern philosophy. Behavioral psychology. Right. So, this this guy is the one who could who figured out all this stuff and he’s got comments and quotes. I’ll give you some quotes on that. But, you know, one of the things he said is you may not get everything you dream about, but you’ll never get anything you don’t dream about. Right. When he was talking about mindset. Right. So, the modern way of people like William James of the future, I think are going to start talking about PTG, not just PTSD. Gotcha.


Larry Olsen [00:12:48] Yeah. So, you also mentioned which really resonates with me, impact and purpose. And it sounds like you had a purpose that that was maybe fraudulent in your own mind because you weren’t pest’s passionate about it. And you even started to believe that that people didn’t think positive about marketing or politicians or whatever. So how did you fill this gap of really not having a sense of purpose? I think we all excuse me, we all have a sense of purpose, but maybe not having discovered yours, would that come into play?


Jim Kukral [00:13:30] Yeah, this is the one of the toughest questions of the universe to answer is what is your purpose on this planet? And again, 2020. Started a lot more people thinking about that, right, not just people moving into the back, nine of their lives, you know, teenagers, what is my purpose on this planet right there? This is a great hyper acceleration of these kinds of questions. Absolutely. The thing you’ll figure out about purpose that I figured out is that people with a purpose are happier. They wake up every morning with a drive, they’re healthier because this is what energizes them. This is what moves them, but it’s very difficult to figure that out. It really is, because in American society, we tend to put, you know, purpose in terms of success of wealth or how many homes we own or cars or things like that. The reality is we’re put on this planet to help other people, I think. Right? Yeah. And not just to hoard money. We’re here to really create an impact on the world, whether that’s through our children or through the good things that we do. But we’re also here to do something. And the hard part about it is, is trying to figure out what that is. Right. Some people never figure it out. And that’s OK. Right. I’m going to be 50 years old this year, and I. I really have not figured it out yet. I am almost at the point. I believe that my purpose is to help inspire other people to think differently because I’ve always been really good at that. So, I do speeches. I travel around the country, I do virtual talks where I help open people’s minds to changing their mindset, to new lifestyles, to creating an impact and creating a purpose. So don’t be upset if you haven’t figured out your purpose and start thinking about it, though. That’s what that’s what action happens when you start thinking about things that are possible, you start believing them. The impossible is possible. That’s when action starts to come in your brain and then you’ll take the step to move forward. 


Larry Olsen [00:15:54] You know, one of the obstacles, Jim, that that people seem to come up with, which comes from our amygdala. Was his fear element that if I do this, this could happen, if I do that, that could happen, and it starts to erode one’s dreams and what one is eager to attempt to try. What is your advice for people or from your own experiences where you didn’t allow yourself to go down that that road of the fear element?


Jim Kukral [00:16:28] There’s a great remember the movie Karate Kid with help with Daniel Stern and Mr. Miyagi and Mr. Miyagi says that Danny said during the tournament when he gets his leg hurt, he says to him, he goes, I’m going to lose. He goes, Yeah, but you must not lose the fear, right. It’s OK to lose tournament, but don’t lose the fear. Right. Unfortunately, we’ve become a culture of a lot of people who are trained to be fearful of changes. Yeah, we’re fearful of other things and mindsets. But I’ll tell you this. If you look around and you look at the very happiest people in your life that you see who are the risk takers, who have purpose, who have passion, who have maybe wealth mentally, physically, financially, spiritually, whatever, all of those people got rid of that fear stuff. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. And they moved forward. It’s easier said than done. It’s so cliche. And nobody wants to be lectured about how to get rid of fear, because if you can’t, you either going to get rid of it, you’re going to remove it from your mind or you’re not. I believe that people only take action once their pain threshold reaches a high enough. So, when you go to when I went to the doctor for kidney stones and they asked, what’s your pain level on a scale of one to 10? And I was ready to grab the doctor by the throat and say it’s an 11. Right, OK, yeah. That’s when you’re ready to do anything to stop the pain in your life. Where is your pain level at the job you don’t like? It’s only a five. Well, guess what? You might spend the next 20 years there. If it’s out of ten, you might think it’s time to get rid of the fear. Quit it and start my own business right now. So, I think that to answer that question, everybody needs to look at what their pain level is. And then when it gets to a certain point where you just can’t take it any further, that’s when you’ll take action. That’s when you let go of the fear. And other than that, it’s very hard to get rid of it. Just thinking about it. Yeah.


Larry Olsen [00:18:42] Yeah. Well, you do you think part of that is that.


Jim Kukral [00:18:48] Yeah. You know, PTG is a new thing, right? It’s not. If you search for it online, you you’ll see it’s something new that’s being talked about. Yeah. But again, let’s go back to 2020. I hate to keep bringing it up no one wants to talk about it, but the world has changed and it’s never going back to exactly what it was before. It is not. 


Larry Olsen [00:19:12] If you look at how much you hope it


Jim Kukral [00:19:14] would be, billions and billions of people are mentally, physically, spiritually, financially changed across the board, rich, poor, race, creed, color, you name it. Yeah, and that is a fact. And the world is going to be different from this moment on our one hundred years from now. They will look back at that year and say that was a sea change level event in society.


Larry Olsen [00:19:41] Yeah, absolutely. So, this 20 day challenge you talk about, it was a 30 day?


Jim Kukral [00:19:50] well, you know, I broke it down actually. I change it. It’s more like only a four or five day. It’s a text-based challenge, OK? And that’s free. It’s that life of Apoc.com. And I don’t want to send you an email. I don’t want to, you know, take up too much your time. I want to send you for text over four days. So, if you give me permission, I’ll give you a test, a challenge every day for the next four days on mindset, on lifestyle, on impact and purpose. And all I’m asking of you is let me text you for four days. I’ve got nothing to sell you. I’m retired. I just want to help you move forward with your life. And, you know, as I mentioned earlier, a life apocalypse. You can create your own. Yeah, yeah. Some people need a little bit of a push. There’s the cliff. There’s a beautiful water down there. They know that it’s beautiful down there. It’s a great water. But sometimes you need, you know, your family members, somebody to come up behind. You just give you a little nudge off the ledge. You can create your own life, Apocalypse. You can decide that I you know, millions of people are doing it. They’re selling their homes and moving into ARV’s.


Larry Olsen [00:21:02] Yeah. Yeah, right. Yeah.


Jim Kukral [00:21:04] So if you want to accelerate that process, because I know you’re thinking about it, everyone listening or watching to this has thought about these things, but they’re afraid to move forward with because health insurance or. Family or kids or a million different excuses after 20, 20, are you ready to start thinking differently and start making even some small changes? Yeah, and that’s what this tax base challenges.


Larry Olsen [00:21:34] Beautiful. Beautiful. I’ll take you on it. All right. And we can exchange numbers. Beautiful. The you know, as I’m listening to you and with my background of the business that I’m in, you know, there’s another type of change, another type of apocalypse. And that’s when you choose a different reality. You choose to live a different life and you do it without a pandemic. You do it without a divorce. And yet I agree with you. Sometimes we just get used to stuff, you know, and it’s like that comfort zone blanket. We slowly start to pull it over ourselves. And then we don’t realize that we’re just kind of like giving up on what we wanted and being satisfied with the status quo. So when this pandemic hits. You know, it pulls the blanket off and people are getting uncomfortable and they’re asking those questions and, you know, all the studies done with the millennials that it was not profit, it was purpose, and it was like, I want to I want a life that’s meaningful. I want to be happy. And I looked at my parents and the struggles they went through, trying to get me and all the best schools and everything else. I don’t want to do that. And here you come along with. Really an oxymoron, and that’s the apocalypse brand because, you know, I don’t think a lot of people look at apocalypse as positive. And yet that’s the spin I see you putting on it and so talk a little bit more about. Why you’re so excited now about this new adventure?


Jim Kukral [00:23:18] Well, I’m excited because this is my I like I said, I’m pretty sure that this is my purpose. OK, OK. I started to work on something, a one man shows in three acts that I’m going to I’m I literally I’m renting a theater home and I and I’m hiring my daughter, who’s a college student to produce it. I’m renting a theater and I’m going to do actual hour and a half presentation, not a speech, a performance based upon all of this. And I’m renting a theater. I’m going to spend a lot of money with cameras and lighting and heavy equipment. And I’m going to produce something because I really think I can affect a lot of people that excites me. I want to get up every day and do that. Wow. So, yeah, but in terms of the apocalypse thing, yeah. I mean, some good came out of my 25 years of being a marketer. I, you know, I’ve written a book called Attention and I’m skippable. So, I know what kind of gets people thinking. Right. So yeah, I love the concept of apocalypse and I love people. Think of the downside is that some people just think about zombies every time you think it’s not about zombies, it’s about changing your life. Yeah.


Larry Olsen [00:24:35] Yeah. And that’s what’s so fascinating with most people is. You know, that’s the number one fear, the human race is rejection and, you know, people and if you think about James and you get into psychology, it’s we don’t want to be not accepted because there’s no future in that. There is no relationship. There’s no next step. So, you know, people are really reluctant to do something that might not be accepted in. And the second one is change. And third is death, you know, unless you realize you’re going to die tomorrow and you’re not ready for it. And that can move up to the number one. But you are a living example of someone who made a choice. And those twenty-two minutes when you’re staring at the clock. And. Something told you, and it probably been do you think it’d been nine on you for a while about is this really what I want to do with my life? But you absolutely answering the question you just kept when


Jim Kukral [00:25:41] Well, I’ll tell you exactly why. And this is the same reason most people don’t make changes. OK, I’m moving into a part of my life where my children are going to be out of the house soon. Gotcha. So, for the last 20 years, my job as the breadwinner, as the family man was to earn an income for my family, self-employed entrepreneur. That was my job as males. That’s what our job is right now. My wife chose to not go to work. She loved it. I’m glad that she did. But my job for 20 years was to make money, keep my kids clothed and fed. Right. But that is about to change. And then the pandemic hit. So again, in your life, it’s not the straight lines. You have transitional moments from getting out of diapers to adolescence to, you know, marriage to all these different moments. And everybody has a different timeline. And when they experience, and they take changes. The hardest part about all of this, Larry, is some people figure this out when they’re like 10 years old or six. Right. That to me, I wish I was one of those people, right, because they have so much clarity and focus about how they want to spend the rest of their life, some of us don’t figure it out till almost the end. Some of us never figure it out. Yeah, yeah. Which is and that is the greatest tragedy for me. I’ve spent a career surrounded by very talented, intelligent people. And the biggest thing that always made me upset was people who didn’t utilize their talent. Right, actors or writers, comedians, musicians. And they never capitalized on it, you know. So, at this point in my career, in my life, I want to help people get there. You know if you think about mythology, it’s you know, I’m the Ferrymen. I want to take you across the River Styx from one end to the other, hopefully not to the death. But that’s what I’m trying to do.


Larry Olsen [00:27:41] Is that where that pirate over?


Jim Kukral [00:27:43] That’s just from Disney. I went to Disney with my kids, and I was at the front desk at Animal Kingdom and my daughter said, put the eyepatch on. And she took a picture of me, and I use it.


Larry Olsen [00:27:52] My wife wondered if you were going to start out with eye matey.


Jim Kukral [00:27:56] And now I’m actually not a pirate, but I thought it was a great picture. I love that picture.


Larry Olsen [00:28:02] Was it Thoreau who said most people lived quiet lives of desperation?


Jim Kukral [00:28:07] I’m not sure I’ve heard that quote.


Larry Olsen [00:28:09] Yeah. And in it and it sounds like you want to break that. You want to help people bust through that and put some more zest and pop back into this thing called life.


Jim Kukral [00:28:20] Well, that’s what I yeah. I want to help you do that. You’re the one who will have to take that action. I want to help you start thinking about it. Yeah. No, that’s all this is. You’ll take the action. If you want to quit smoking, you’ll quit smoking when you’re ready. When you want to wait, you’ll lose weight when you’re ready. Not one thing one person says or tactic or habit or anything is ever going to make you do it unless you are ready to do it. And that is the truth. Now, you can’t start doing that until you believe it’s possible. You bet. Till the four-minute mile you believe it’s Runnable, you can do it. Right? So that’s what this is about. It’s about really opening people’s minds to think about what the possibilities are. But really, all I’m doing is, is latching on to this acceleration that everybody’s already going through.


Larry Olsen [00:29:11] Yeah, yeah. Because you’re also telling people they don’t have to do it alone, correct. Right. There’s a support you’re a support system. I mean these Texas I mean they’re going to be in this old concept is will go out of our way for a stranger and we’ll let ourselves off the hook at any moment in time.


Jim Kukral [00:29:30] It’s a great point.


Larry Olsen [00:29:31] Right. And what you’re doing is you’re being there for people. So when that doubt or hesitation or that old model that they’re trying to move away from, that their brain is so programed to continue, even if it doesn’t make them happy, they’ve got to have the ferryman. They got to have that assistance. And I really encourage people to to find out. I mean, what have they got to lose by taking your challenge, what they don’t like?


Jim Kukral [00:30:01] Right. Right. That’s the way I view it as well. But if you’re ready to start thinking in that direction, it’s free. So, life apoc dotcom, give it a shot. I’m not going to put you on any list or anything. I don’t I’m retired. I don’t have I don’t have any business. I don’t have any. I created twenty years of businesses that kind of run on their own. This is what I do now. Maybe someday I’ll text you and ask you to come see my show two years from now when I finally get it done.


Larry Olsen [00:30:28] But that’s what I was thinking. You ask me for that one hundred bucks.


Jim Kukral [00:30:32] Yeah. Come on. You want to come see me? If I’m in Chicago, maybe come see me. But yeah. No, this is truly about. A lot of it, honestly, is self-serving because I’m trying to find my own Jeremy as well. Yeah, well, I want to bring people along with me


Larry Olsen [00:30:49] and on behalf of all of the people that are listening, I looked at a nine-year-old TED talk that you did. You are not the same soul, you don’t come across like that, you don’t you don’t resonate like that. You have made some phenomenal transitions in your own growth. And I’m not knocking that. I’ve just seen a huge difference in just how you’re you present yourself so well. Thank you. You think you’re living evidence about the fact that the fairy man can be effective in your transition through this apocalypse?


Jim Kukral [00:31:27] There’s a great line from Indigo Girls song. It says every five years or so I look back on my life and I have a good laugh. But, you know, it’s just, you know, you look back five years, 10 years, and you’re like, you know, we all move forward. Right. The key here now is that we’ve all moved forward at an accelerated pace. Yes. Because of the pandemic in 2020. So, at what point do you want to. Move across the river faster, get to where you want to be. That’s why.


Larry Olsen [00:32:02] And beautiful, beautiful. So, we’re going to wrap it up now, but I’d love to give you the opportunity for these people that are going whatever they’re going through in their lives right now. What would you like to share with them on this journey that they have?


Jim Kukral [00:32:19] You know, I’d like to just let you start thinking about some questions and this will what we’ll do in the challenge. But let’s talk about legacy. OK, because legacy is one of those very hard things to define. Most people view legacy as well, I’m leaving a lake house and a big bank account for my children. Great. That’s a wonderful thing. But I’ve talked to hundreds and hundreds of people, dads and moms. And you know what? When it really comes down to it, what they really want their legacy to be, they want their kids to go. Remember how much fun dad was. Mm hmm. Right. Remember when mom used to do this? That’s a legacy. Remember, the friends would say, remember that time that Jim, when we when we did this, that’s what leaving a true legacy. Remember when a person, a kid that you helped my personal story, helping a kid who hated baseball, who 10 years later became a college player because I coached them through them crying on the bench. That and when the mom calls you and says he’s now going to college and he’s playing baseball and you coached him through that, that is the kind of thing. That you need to think about before I get emotional talking about it. I really do. But this is these are the kinds of questions you should be asking yourself. And if you’re not fine, maybe you’re not ready to have these questions asked yourself now. But if you are, now’s the time to start thinking about it and moving forward with it.


Larry Olsen [00:33:57] Beautiful. Well, it’s been a real pleasure, Jim. Time flew as it is when it’s worthwhile. And I want all our listeners to recognize the availability of this man and be able to connect with his energy and spirit. And we’ll have all that information available, how to get how to get in touch and hold it in. But you’ve made it you’ve made an impact on my life and you’ve helped reinforce force my sense of purpose. And I thank you for that, my friend.


Jim Kukral [00:34:29] Well, thank you. And, you know, again, that makes me feel so good because I honestly believe this is my purpose, right. When I have these conversations with somebody, your stature, your nature, your credibility, your background. And I was able to affect you in a tiny, small way. That means alive. That means that I’m on the right path. So, thank you very much.


Larry Olsen [00:34:49] Thank you. And thank all of you who are who are listening to this. And is I always when I’m finishing this, I want everybody to remember wherever you are in your life is exactly where you need to be to make that magical difference. And it gets down to a choice. Like Jim said, you know, it’s got to be coming from you or it’s not going to sustain itself for last. And if you need a little help, you make sure you get a hold of the ferryman to take you from that gap, from where you are to where you want to be. And we’ll have his information up there for you. So, all the best. And once again, Jim, it’s been a pleasure. And we look forward to hearing more about you and with that play coming out.


Jim Kukral [00:35:34] Yeah, I would love to come out again. And thank you so much for having me and everybody out there. Have a great day. And I appreciate you listening to me talk.


Larry Olsen [00:35:44] Beautiful. It’s been a pleasure. Thank you all.


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