Podcast Ep. 64 – Releasing Patterns from the Past

Larry Olsen August 24, 2021

We let so much of our past define who we are today. Not realizing the intricacies of our lives create patterns, negative & positive, that contribute to our success. My guest Laura Noel, an entrepreneur and CEO of her own company as well as a U.S. Air-force officer for over 27 years, helps us understand the only way we can change habits is by changing the way we truly see ourselves. She is a woman who knows how to get results by guiding clients in overcoming the mindset blocks that keep them from realizing their true potential, purpose, life-long dreams, and legacy.


Larry Olsen: Welcome. I’m Larry Olsen, and what’s on your mind? Once set, it delivers your life. To change the outcomes we want, we must change the plays we’re running. Join us at Mindset Playbook with Real people – Real talk for Real insight. 

Narrator: Today’s episode is sponsored by Aperneo, An Achievement Acceleration Company, whose approach to professional development enables clients to gain insights and perspectives to live, work, and engage with more success


Larry Olsen  I want to welcome everybody to Mindset Playbook, and I want to thank you for wherever you are taking a moment out of your life to invest your time in becoming a better version of yourself, which we all know there’s so much opportunity. And our whole life is a quest to be to be that better version of self. And I’m very excited about our guest today who’s going to share a lot of insights into how to go about accomplishing even more of that. I have a very interesting as well as high performing guests today. And if you like most and if you’re like most high performing people, you’re tired of being pulled in multiple directions with zero time left for yourself. As a certified Proctor Gallagher coach and a twenty-seven-year military leader, Laura Noel helps high performers live and powered fulfilling lives, all while achieving their highest potential. She helps people focus on what really matters so they can stop feeling out of control and become more effective with their time and spend more time discovering, most importantly, doing what they love. Well, welcome to the show, Laura.


Laura Noel [00:04:39] Oh, thank you so much for having me. It’s a pleasure to be here. I love sharing and talking about mindset with like-minded people, that’s for sure.


Larry Olsen [00:04:49] And I feel the same. You know, I believe, Laura, one of our greatest challenges is actually being the high performer that others see us as. Not feeling that you’re living up to your highest potential can be very defeating and really holding you back. What are your thoughts on the imposter syndrome, as it’s known, and any tips you can give us on breaking through it?


Laura Noel [00:05:14] Imposter syndrome is such an important topic to really understand. I can tell you from personal experience, I suffered from imposter syndrome in a couple of different ways. In one way, as I was climbing the ladder of success in my organization and reaching the top echelons in my career, I always had this feeling like somebody is going to find out it’s all a farce. They’re going to figure it out. I’m a phony, I’m a fake. I don’t deserve to be here. And so, living with that feeling inevitably keeps us stuck from truly expressing ourselves to the best of our ability and from standing in our truth and truly connecting with people in the way that’s possible. And I struggled with that in a big way.


Larry Olsen [00:06:11] So what do you think? What do you think causes high performers or many people, no matter what level they’re at, to recognize that other people sometimes are seen more in them than they do? And, you know, there’s kind of a false reality that gets created because we know what our best version of self is, if I can use that example. Yeah. And and yet sometimes we don’t feel like we’re living up to it yet, we’re given credit for it.  What did you go through that caused you to feel like you were going through this imposter syndrome?


Laura Noel [00:06:50] I had an epiphany one day, I was, you know, at the top of my career, I couldn’t promote any higher. I was in the military at the time, and I was, you know, over the span of a few years, I got promoted really quickly. I was leading different organizations and different professional development groups, and my role was to take care of other people. I was taking care of my father, who was terminally ill at the time. I was also going to grad school at the time. I just was always a high achiever and I felt like it was a badge of honor to do all of these things and never ask for help to be there to help and serve others, but never be a burden to somebody else. And so, I had all these things going on in my personal life. I felt extremely depleted and disconnected from the outside. Looking in, I looked really successful, like I had it together and I was a go to person. But on the inside, I was miserable. And I remember connecting with somebody that I had gotten to know. And I reached out to her, and I said, when is it going to be enough? You know, I’m the president of this organization and vice president of this one and leading all of these things and leading other people. And I’m taking care of my dad and going to school. I felt like I didn’t do a good job, so I ran a marathon to raise money. I felt like I was fat, so I did a figure competition. Then I went and did the half Iron Man, and I was literally beating myself up mentally and physically.


Larry Olsen [00:08:26] Were you ever giving yourself credit for any of those accomplishments? Where do you think that came from, where you hadn’t learned how to give yourself credit?


Laura Noel [00:08:39] I think a lot of our beliefs, I know a lot of our beliefs, they come from our upbringing, and this is not to point fingers at anybody, this is just a self-awareness. But from the time that we’re born, until we’re the age of six or seven, we’re taking in all of the information, everything that we see, taste, touch, smell in hear. We’re like little sponges. So, our ancestors and the caretakers that took care of us and spent the most amount of time with our environment really shaped us. So, a lot of the beliefs that we have, I used to hear, “oh, she doesn’t she’s shy.” You might hear something like that growing up and then you believe it, but you’re not shy. You know, you’re anything you want to be. But we have these false beliefs that become coded in our DNA and then after a while, they become a part of us. So, our self-image is a part of that belief system. It’s a part of our paradigm that has been passed down from generation to generation.


Larry Olsen [00:09:43] Absolutely. So, this false image that we get, wherever we may get it from, becomes our identity. And so, as we’re going through life, no matter what we’re doing, we’re always measuring it against this identity. And this can be sometimes the basic ceiling, not sometimes, but all the time on our potential. You know, when I interrupted you, where you were floating on the impostor syndrome to kind of get into again what you found out that helped you resolve these things, for you to start to recognize that you do deserve this.


Laura Noel [00:10:25] Yeah, well, I realized in that moment when I asked my friend, when is it going to be enough? When am I going to be enough? I realized in my mind I would never be enough. And that was an opening and an invitation for me to seek out personal development and try to figure out what’s wrong with me. While there’s nothing wrong with me, it’s just things happen in our lives, and we create beliefs around them and unknowingly they become a part of our belief system. And then are the actions we take, the results that we get that we continually get are just a reflection of what’s going on inside of ourselves. So, we without any conscious awareness, most of our behavior is habitual and so we don’t even know what our potential is and where we’re holding ourselves back unless we really take the time to do a deep dove, work with a coach or work with a mentor to figure it out. And that’s what I did.


Larry Olsen [00:11:25] OK. All right. And what were some of the “aha moments” you got along that journey of trying to figure it out?


Laura Noel [00:11:34] I realized very early on in my personal development journey that I looked at other people sometimes with judgment, and I expected them to change, or I expected them to come to me to support me when I was supporting, because when I was in that space and I was giving and not asking for support, I still expected support. And I still had moments of feeling resentful for not getting it. But I wasn’t allowing myself. So, I realized very early on that changing how I see others and also not putting how I feel on them. And I turned that back on me. I made that my responsibility. What I noticed is other people responded to me differently and it was almost like it was magic. It was like, wow, I did this personal development and my husband’s cleaning the house.


Larry Olsen [00:12:35] I don’t have to tell him anymore.


Laura Noel [00:12:37] He didn’t change. I changed. He changed how he responded to me. But just by me working on me, it shaped the relationships. That means so much to me in my life and it just enhanced them and such a great way. And so, all the things that I thought were problems. Oh, yeah. He needs to take this class. Well, no, he doesn’t need to take this class. I need to work on me. And when I work on me, I see everyone else. I see myself differently and I see other people I interact with differently. Yeah.


Larry Olsen [00:13:09] You know, I’ve noticed in my experiences that when we when we ask people to look in the mirror, if they want to find out where the problems lie in their life and who is responsible for them, we almost create a lot of pushback in people because they recognize that, “whoa, what else is wrong with me?” And they counteract the whole philosophy behind it is absolutely nothing is wrong with you. You’ve just had some kind of a false identity. And when you were sharing that with me. I recognize that, how do you go through that process without getting stuck in your shortcomings and perhaps where you felt you were at fault? For example, “I was the one made my husband feel like this.” How did you keep from crawling in bed, pulling the blanket up, stick your finger in your mouth and woe is me, “I’ve been this bad person” because that’s what people are afraid of, when entering into any kind of self-awareness.


Laura Noel [00:14:14] Yeah, well, it’s funny, I, I just read this book, it’s called, What Happened To You, and it’s a psychotherapist, Oprah actually did this book. So, when people ask, “what’s wrong with me?”, She’ll even say there’s nothing wrong with you, things happened in your life that shaped you and actually shaped your brain function in terms of how you respond and react to the world around you. So, the first AHA was realizing that I needed to take responsibility for how I’m showing up and how I feel. But to your point, another powerful lesson was I learned that we have an infinite amount of power that is an energy that’s flowing to and through us and we can shape it into anything we want. And what we’ve done in the past has no relevance or bearing in terms of what we’re capable of doing in the future. And then that was a big aha for me, because even during that time when I started seeking out personal development, I was searching for my purpose, even though I had a successful career. And I normally would look to what have I done in the past? What was I not so great at? What degrees and certifications do I have? Oh, OK. Well, I could do this then and we’ve got it all wrong. It really comes from your heart. And what do you want? If there were no obstacles, focus on what you would love to be, do or have and create. And when you focus on that, you’ll figure out how to get there. Yes, we need the requisite skills, but we can figure it out and maybe the skills that we think we need, we can hire somebody else to do those things. But that was an aha. Realizing that what we’ve done the past, unless we choose to lean on it, has no bearing on who we get to become and who we choose to become in the future. 


Larry Olsen [00:16:18] Yeah, that’s empowering. That’s huge! For the listeners, and you and I, as well as the listeners, because we’re all works in progress, we’re all gaining insight. It’s this whole concept of, the past doesn’t define me when in reality, we’re not born with attitudes, attitudes or preconceived notions, they’re learned behaviors and yet, attitudes have 100% effect on our performance, attitudes are subconscious, so at some point in our life, we don’t have to think any longer.  All I have to do is react to every situation that occurs, and I think that’s where people get stuck, is they don’t recognize that. So, when we say things like your past doesn’t have to define you, it’s kind of like, well, then how do I define myself, and I think you nailed it when you said now it’s about creating vision, it’s about imagining, it’s about being a kid again, it’s about having that imagination.  Right. And finding and you mentioned that through that you found your purpose in this part of my work purpose is everything. What did you find out was really driving you that you called purpose?


Laura Noel [00:17:40] Well, previously, before I started getting into this work, I realized what was driving me and my success that I’m saying in air quotes because I don’t deem myself a success back then, because I was miserable inside. But what was driving me then to be successful and get the accolades and all of that stuff was a feeling of not feeling good enough and a feeling of needing to prove myself to myself, saying, “well I’ll do this and all or I’ll get this degree, then I won’t feel stupid or I’ll whatever the case may be, I’ll do this half Ironman and then I’ll be an athlete.” But every mountain I would climb, I still was left unfulfilled. So, I was doing all of these different things that were seemingly unrelated. And when I started zeroing in on, “gosh, what would I like to do? How do I want to live, how do I want to feel? What would my life look like?” One of my last certifications was as a yoga teacher, and I was still in the military at the time. And I started teaching yoga at night at my office. So, some of my colleagues would just come and just for free, just for fun. And I would teach yoga. And I noticed how people’s mindsets were changing just from breathing and that mind/body connection. And I thought, my gosh if I could bottle this up in a curriculum, that’s it. That’s it. OK, so that’s the first part of this. I got clear on what I wanted. I started being curious and, you know, pursuing different paths like yoga or another master’s degree and what not. And then I started to get curious, gosh, what would it be like if I could bottle this up in a curriculum or something? I went to another personal development seminar and there was a gentleman speaking by the name of Bob Proctor. And I felt like somebody’s little flame under my seat. And I stood up and I said, “How do you know when you found your purpose?”  I just loved what he was saying. And I thought, that’s the curriculum. That’s it. That’s it. That’s the yoga philosophy, how the mind works, and the brain works and how it influences our results. And I made a connection with him, and I was planning on retiring in three years from the military. I ended up submitting and getting my retirement accepted in three months and within six months I was in business.


Laura Noel [00:20:14] So I got clear. I allowed myself to be curious and gave myself permission to dream. I followed my curiosity, which is my intuition, and everybody has that. And I took inspired action based on being in alignment with that vision. And I was decisive. I asked the question when he said, give me your contact information. I said yes. And I didn’t know what he was offering. I didn’t know if it cost anything what it cost. But I was all in and I never looked back. So, it happens quickly when we are in alignment, and we recognize it and we act. Yeah, yeah.


Larry Olsen [00:20:53] What advice or suggestions would you give to people on the concept called sustainability? We all get excited, we all get motivated. You know, when people call me a motivational speaker, I’m very disappointed because motivation, it doesn’t last very long. And yet when you share this type of information with people, they get really pumped and excited. And so, they call you motivational, right. When in reality you want to create an offering for them that they can then learn and own and be able to participate themselves in and be responsible and accountable. How do you how do you bring that accountability piece in to help people be able to sustain this beyond, you know, a week, a month and make it a part of their lives?


Laura Noel [00:21:48] Yeah, I teach them one, that willpower has a shelf life, as you described, and so when we’re putting our focus, I mean, take the person who goes on a diet, they know what to do. They have the plan, they have the coach, they have the workout plan. And for a couple of weeks, they’re using their willpower and all of their might and determination and grit to lose weight. And for a few weeks it works. And they’re excited, but slowly but surely without their knowledge, because most of our behavior is habitual, it’s run by our paradigms, subconscious mind. They get pulled back to the sofa elbow deep in a bag of potato chips. And it’s because they just change their behavior using their willpower. That’s what we’re taught to do. And then if we fail or we don’t succeed in that, you know, we’re told that we don’t have a strong will or we’re being lazy or but the root cause of all over our results is our paradigm. So, it’s not enough to change your behavior. You have to change how you see yourself. And so, I, teach people how to change their paradigm while at the same time they’re changing their behavior. Because when that behavior, when that willpower wears off the paradigm, the new operating system, so to speak, starts to take effect and take hold. And then before you know it, you have another habit. So that’s what I tell everyone do.


Larry Olsen [00:23:17] So let’s just right now give them the best information you can on how to connect with you, how to get involved with you and experience your programs and everything else.


Laura Noel [00:23:30] Yeah. The best way to connect is I have a page just for your audience. So, it’s Stretchintosuccess.com\mindsetplaybook and there are a bunch of resources there. I have some mindset changing techniques, a little PDF that people can download to get started. My contact information is there. I’m actually in the middle of this week of a workshop, it’s an hour up to an hour a day for five days where I’m walking people through this process. I want to give them the keys to the kingdom and people who want coaching and that support, they’re going to work with me. And for people who want to try it on their own, they could do that. And then I have my calendar. So, if somebody is like, “gosh, I’d really like to have a conversation with you,” they can book a call my calendar.


Larry Olsen [00:24:17] Beautiful. You know, I you probably feel the same way I do that that the word “life coach” has gotten just beat to death and anybody can go to a seminar and then get certified. Now their life coach, but they haven’t had the life experiences. And so, what it is, it’s just it’s a superficial layer with no depth to it. And people ultimately begin to experience that and feel that. And I think, unfortunately, that ends up kind of giving it a bad name. And what I’m experiencing and feeling from you, it’s so genuine, it’s so authentic, and it’s infectious because you just kind of bubble it. I mean, you just have that good feel about you, which means that you’re experiencing what you’re talking about. And so, all of the listeners out there, this is the real deal.


Larry Olsen [00:25:14] Laura is the one. So, you need to take it real serious, if you’re at any level in your life, you could be at the highest level and still be stuck because we start to get comfortable. And pretty soon we feel like we’ve arrived and all of a sudden, we become in despair again, because, you know, we’re not we’re not meant to just stop. I don’t believe that that’s in our spirit. So, thank you for sharing how to how to get more in touch with you. You know, not everything is all sugars and roses and positive thinking. What were some of the challenges that you faced in your life, whether it be in growing up or in the military, that. You know, kind of blended you to your credentials that that if we’re not careful, life’s not easy.


Laura Noel [00:26:12] There’s so many things that that shaped who I am today, and I don’t regret any of them. They were just, challenges for me to learn and grow from I mean, I honestly, growing up I didn’t have the easiest childhood was in a really rough living situation with there was abuse going on not toward me, but in my household and seeing that and witnessing it and then living in the one-bedroom apartment with my mom growing up and that her working three jobs. So, I mean, it wasn’t easy living on in the poor neighborhood, but going to the wealthy school and trying to fit in. And then throughout my career, just carrying that, oh, I have to walk on eggshells or I’m going to I’m going to hurt somebody, you know, because I grew up believing that in my household. So, I felt like I had to almost be invisible, so even though I was growing in my career and people would push me to take on different leadership roles, I would stop myself. I would say, “oh, that’s nice, but no, I’m happy here.” Even though, you know, there were just other places in other roles that I could have taken on at that time. But I just didn’t see it in myself until I really started working on myself. And, you know, even the lessons, transitioning, becoming an entrepreneur, learning to trust my intuition. And even though I’m learning something new and transitioning as an entrepreneur four years ago, and I might be learning from people who know and have had more experience than me, there’s a lot of value in our intuition, your intuition, my intuition and learning those valuable lessons in how to trust that. And the times when I didn’t.


Larry Olsen [00:27:58] Wow.  It just fascinates me, when you listen to someone’s story and this is something I teach and leadership is before you open up your mouth because of the behavior you saw that you didn’t like, find out what the story is behind it because they probably didn’t do it on purpose, whether it’s your spouse or your children. You know, we’ve been brought up in such a punitive, kind of mean-spirited society, if you will, at least in the United States, which is so judgmental. And let’s find out what’s wrong. And we just went through a whole period of leadership that was I didn’t think was pleasant. Whether there were great accomplishments or not is something else. But as far as the attitude, I really took issue with it because it didn’t bring out the best in others. Yeah, and I think that that is something that I’m feeling from you. And yet I totally understand what it’s like to be having people acknowledge. And I grew up with my sister who was born mentally delayed, and my parents didn’t even recognize it until I was about a year old and pushing her in a stroller, and she was three years older than I was, and they labeled her mentally retarded. I mean, they don’t even use those terms any longer. And as I was growing up, it was always, I’ve got to be liked, I’ve got to be accepted. I don’t want to let my parents down because they’re so devastated by this. You know, every one of us has something that we’ve experienced that we kind of identify with it the wrong way. You know, imagine if you looked to your parents and gone, boy, that’s not very functional, that that’s not positive, you know, but we what we were doing, what did I have to do with that? You know, how did I create that dysfunction? Because you were the only one in here looking out of our eyes and tell me a little about your quest for the military?


Laura Noel [00:30:11] I was restless, and I just wanted to get out. Yeah, I just didn’t know that I just wanted to leave my home. I just wanted to go, and I remember I was in college in Army ROTC at the time. And then the application process to go be an officer was taking too long. And I’m like, oh, I’m just going to go enlist. That’s what I did. And I joined the Air Force. And it was the best thing for me because I really it was a great way for me to learn about myself and be on my own, but have kind of bumpers, a little bit of a safety net, and then really come into my own and pursue my education and just different leadership opportunities. So it truly was the best experience.


Larry Olsen [00:31:03] That was twenty-seven years.


Laura Noel [00:31:05] It was, yeah.


Larry Olsen [00:31:07] Good for you. And you put in your time.


Laura Noel [00:31:10] I did and I enjoyed it.


Larry Olsen [00:31:14] Thank you for your service. So, I had a question. Now let’s see if I can remember it. You talked earlier about the importance of asking for help, one of the toughest things, as you know, for most people to do, because we don’t want to be perceived as stupid, when to raise your hand in school. What happened to the kid that got the wrong answer in class? We didn’t even have to experience it so we could just watch it and experience it, and soak it in.  What advice would you give for people who feel they got to do it all by themselves?


Laura Noel [00:31:51] What I have for me was realizing that by not asking for help, I was being a taker. Because think about how good you feel when you are able to help somebody else, when somebody accepts your help and you’re able to help them, how wonderful does that feel? Yeah, yeah. And you feel connected with that person. And when we rob somebody else of the opportunity to help us, that’s selfish. That that was an “aha” for me. It was just so even just shifting that paradigm, I thought that I was being burdensome by asking for support. But really in reality, I’m giving somebody an opportunity to be with offer insight, maybe do something for me or not just be a listening ear. But that’s a big deal.


Larry Olsen [00:32:49] Yeah. It was it was a huge challenge of mine. I was great with advice, just not taking anything it. And you can imagine how that can stifle one’s growth. You know, unfortunately, with the time this has been so fascinating, what can you give our listeners that they can that they can act upon just a little tip or a little piece of advice? Because, you know, we’ve all gone through this Covid thing together and it’s affected everyone differently. But for most people, it’s left them with themselves, or at home with their children and put putting into roles, that they didn’t necessarily have in mind or planned. And as we know, there was some people who it has created chaos for and other people it’s been the greatest adventure of their lives and the best opportunity for. So, with that wide variety of listeners, we have out there, what is something that can put them into a whole different perspective or just tweaking perspective as a result of your sharing?


Laura Noel [00:34:07] I think one thing that’s applicable to everybody is taking the time to think and not do, and any time that we set our sights on a goal or a vision, as soon as we decide that we want it, we’re in energetic harmony with it. Everything is energy. And so as soon as we make a decision, a committed decision, this is what I want. You’re in harmony with it. But the problem is we don’t stay in harmony with it because we get pulled into the circumstances that are happening around us. And we allow those things to influence how we feel and our thinking. And then we kind of you know, we’re at a lower level than in our thinking and what we attract and more thoughts that are in harmony with those thoughts.  So, one of the best and easiest ways to get back in harmony with what you want, even if you’re not specifically working toward your goal, is the practice of gratitude that will shift whatever you’re going through. If you if you’re dealing with a problem, it’ll take the focus off of you and off that problem. And it’ll have you look at that challenge from a different perspective. Nothing is all bad. Nothing is all good. The law of polarity just states everything’s on the same spectrum. There’s just opposite ends of that spectrum. So, when you can look even at a challenge and say, you know, I and feel it, I’m grateful for this opportunity to rise above. And you can if you can think about 10 things that you’re grateful for and just write them down first thing in the morning before you get pulled in the emails and then send love in your mind to three people who might be trying your nerves. That’s a good right. And then ask for guidance for the day that will set you up for success.


Larry Olsen [00:36:02] Beautiful. So, 10 things I’m grateful for. What was the other one?


Laura Noel [00:36:10] Send love to three people who might be annoying even yourself.


Larry Olsen [00:36:17] That is probably the best place to start. And then what was the last one?


Laura Noel [00:36:22] Ask for guidance for the day. How can I serve today? How can I be my best self today? Take the pressure off and you might get a download of inspiration in that moment, but you might while you’re washing the dishes and you’re relaxed.


Larry Olsen [00:36:34] OK, and just out of curiosity, you know, when most people when you say ask for guidance, most people go to a religion or a theology, which is kind of “the way,” if you will, and then there is spirituality, which is something greater than self. What do you what do you how do you explain where they’re seeking guidance from?


Laura Noel [00:37:00] I love how it was explained to me, and it was, you know, there’s a power that’s flowing to and through us. And if you kind of lean on the side of science, they would say it’s energy. If you are a theologian, they would say it’s spirit, but it’s all energy. It’s all that power that’s flowing to and through us. So, either way, whether you’re connecting with yourself, your higher self, your religion, I mean, it’s all it’s all the same energy.


Larry Olsen [00:37:31] Oh my god, you’re a soothsayer. You’re a Yoda, I’m so impressed with the depth of your understanding, and I’m so grateful. That’s one of my 10’s today that I had you on the podcast. And I hope our listeners and I know our listeners would reach out because this is their opportunity to get some assistance, to ask for help and recognize it was the best thing they could have done for themselves. So that being said, what would you like how would you like to wrap up our session today?


Laura Noel [00:38:10] Well, I want to say thank you to you, and thank you to your listeners as well for tuning in, I really, I have gratitude for you and how we connected as well. You know, there’s no accidents so we’re here for a reason together. And if you’re listening, there’s a reason for it. So just take something that you heard today and don’t just make it an intellectual process. Decide that you’re going to do something with this information. Apply one tidbit that we talked about, take it into your life, because that’s how you change. That’s how you internalize it. That’s how you become the person you were meant to be.


Larry Olsen [00:38:44] Beautiful. That was Laura Noel.


Larry Olsen [00:38:59] All right. Well, I want to thank Laura. I want to thank all our listeners. And I want you to always remember that wherever you find yourself, you’re exactly where you need to be. And if things aren’t going right for you, what would be going right for you? What would that look like? And as Laura has shared with all of us, it’s that it’s that higher self-that’s going through all of us, that energy. And we all share it. And we can’t deny it. We can. But it doesn’t change its mind or it’s the energy. So, thank you again for being in our special guest. And from the bottom of my heart, I’m just very, very thankful that I have met you and that I have been able to share you with so many others.


Laura Noel [00:39:46] Thank you.


Larry Olsen [00:39:47] You’re very welcome. Thank you. And thank all of you for taking the time to listen. Feel free if you want to write a little review. I mean, we were always encouraged by that. And I look forward to talking with you next time.


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