Podcast Ep. 54 – Where are the Chances of a Lifetime? Pt. 2
Larry Olsen June 15, 2021
On January 15th, 2009, US Airways Flight 1549 rapidly descended towards the Hudson River, the plane was going to crash. During the final 60 seconds of your life, what would you do? Dave shares the importance of contrasts in moving beyond feeling sorry for self, the influence of his mother and the power of ‘can’ and how to conquer fear with gratitude. https://davesandersonspeaks.com/
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Larry Olsen [00:00:47] You have had and are having an amazing life and like like all of us is, sometimes something has to happen for us to be able to appreciate our life or we get caught up in Folkston and what’s not happening in our life. What do you share for people out there that are getting caught a little bit in the what’s not happening in their lives right now? How would you help them with that?
Dave Sanderson [00:01:15] Yeah, and I get that I’ve got I think, you know, I had this discussion. I’ve had that situation happen a few times. And and and I’ll share a little story, because this is sort of brought it to light for me where I’m sitting right here at my desk. I got a phone call from my wife. She got a phone call from the neighbors, needed some help in your TV on. And my wife said, can you come down, help them get your TV on now? A pretty good to get kids on. That’s a skill set I’ve got. Right. And secondarily, I guess said I grew up in a time where you respected elders and you would do anything for your neighbors. I mean, I know nowadays that may not be the case and that’s unfortunate. I think that’s one of the downfalls we’re having right now, is people aren’t taking care of other people. And I went down and they were two older older ladies. Five hundred seventy five years old. Right. And it wasn’t that difficult every couple of seconds. But they asked me to stay for milk and cookies. And I love milk and cookies. Right. I mean, I love them. Plus their older ladies do probably baked a few cookies in their life. Right. So they’re probably pretty good at it. So as you’re getting milk and cookies together and they have a part of that apartment and I see these all beautiful chairs in there and have this table with books on them. And I was looking through the books and they had some pictures of World War Two in there. And I was like, wow, I had seen these pictures. I love history. And I asked them where they got it. They said we were there and they rolled up their sleeves to show me the numbers of arms down under arms. Why survived the concentration camp? They lost their entire family. And I asked him if I can record a story because they were so, although I can’t let the story die, but they told me they won’t let me because they told me the story for the next few hours on how they survived the concentration camp. And it blew my mind. Right. I never talk to anybody and survive something like that. So I came back. I called the person I was writing the book. So, you know, we’re working on SS and they got it. I figure these are all these moments in her life mattered. Right. And that’s how I came with my book. But the reason I share that story is not to tell you a great story, but when I get these calls, I get these calls occasionally. I got it because I think I told you about five or six years ago when I was coming back in Savannah, Georgia. Got it. I was in the car, got a call from the guy, said, you got to help this lady. So what do you mean how can I help her? Right. She just survived an avalanche in Nepal. One of four people who survived. She locked herself up in a cabin in northern Ontario won’t come out. I know. Where can you talk to? I said, well, yeah, I know what I can offer, but I’ll talk to her. So he said, well, you survived a plane crash, got a little notoriety, so whatever, so I get the call with her and yes, she’s pretty locked out. I said, OK, can I only give you let me call you back tomorrow. So then I work my little magic to all my connections because it comes to relationships, to somebody who knew somebody who knew somebody who knew somebody in Ethiopia, and he erased the call for us. So the next guy was like maybe two days later, maybe I get this call set up and she’s like blown away because this gentleman basically has to scrap every day for food. And when I learned out of that situation was I gave her a different perspective. I said, you know, you think you’ve got too bad this guy every day, that’s great. I said, you know, I said you survived for reasons like I survived for a reason. You got to be dead, but you’re not. This gentleman over here has to every day do something just to survive.
Larry Olsen [00:04:44] Was he homeless?
Dave Sanderson [00:04:46] I don’t know. I mean, he is in a village in Ethiopia. I haven’t talked to him in four or five, six years. I started doing that. I started hooking up people. And I get these calls. I find somebody who’s got a worse situation. OK, maybe to survive cancer. Right. Right. So when I realized, Larry, this is one way I can help people as I can show people a contrast. To what’s going on and the second thing I talk about is the meaning you attach to something produces the emotion of your life. How can I help them show them how to reframe the meetings or have it? And I can tell you, like it’s whatever most you have. And this is why the emotional last year was so high. As soon as you heard something about social justice, emotions, it’s all emotions, not much logic to anything. Right. There’s all emotional defense has to have meaning. Right, whether you’re on one side or the other side. You bet. So that’s one of the things I do when I do and how I help people when they go see, when I call their turmoils of life, I help people turn to turmoil, to triumph.
Larry Olsen [00:05:50] Very, very well said, but let’s pause for a minute. On the word meaning. People need to understand, I think all of us do, that meaning can also be called a belief and they dictate behavior. You didn’t have to say, oh, gee, I wish I believed in something greater than self, because this would be a good situation to be able to utilize that when you already had the belief and still those some beliefs can take a lifetime to build or they can take a moment, as you mentioned. So talk a little more about the the power that people put on. Meaning.
Dave Sanderson [00:06:39] So one of the things I understand what you’re saying, I think one thing I’ve got to give a personal experience, I think one reason I I how I could do it, because I work on what’s got neurosurgery of conditioning. Right. When I see something, I can associate things like that. So this means that. This means that. That’s why I look back pre January on January 14th, 2009, whilst. Right. Very judgmental because I put a meaning very quickly, OK, my dad said these these are these are hippie’s out there smoking dope. And they’re the crazy people, right? That’s what I thought. So you get to sit down and talk to him, right? Right. Yeah. So, yeah, I think because you have to change a refrain. I mean, it’s like, you know what. Yeah. Maybe that they were a little crazy back then. But you know, what I’ve learned is that they have a reason for doing it. I may not agree with it, but I could change. I associate a different meaning that quickly. So one of the things I think that one of the biggest powers we all have is we all have the power to make those decisions and how to reframe and and also look at how we can change those meetings and change our belief systems. There’s a lot I mean I mean, I’ll be very candid. You know, I I grew up in the 60s. I don’t know when you grew up, but my wife and I, we had this discussion the other night back then. And you smoke dope. You are you are a crazy person. You are a drug addict, right? I mean, it was I mean, that’s what we’re seeing is your son
Larry Olsen [00:08:03] developed a movie called Reefer Madness.
Dave Sanderson [00:08:06] Exactly. I mean, so you had a belief coming through that is I can’t smoke dope because I will be a part of it. So let’s you start realizing and see some different things is, you know what? Maybe this can help some people, although they don’t drive and do some crazy. And now I see these kids. I say, you know what, some of the drive or just some crazy you know, it’s not hurting anybody. That would have never happened. Forty five years ago.
Larry Olsen [00:08:31] You got it never happened.
Dave Sanderson [00:08:33] What about the many beliefs, the meetings?
Larry Olsen [00:08:35] What are you do with people who have a meaning that I’m not worthy? So all enough, I’m not short enough, I’m these type of meanings. What do you how do you assist people with that as interesting?
Dave Sanderson [00:08:51] You say that because I like it. That is, everybody’s got this. Let’s go. I call the primary question they have right now. I have a corollary question that runs in their heads. Why is this always happen to be here? I’m not I’m not good enough to do this. Right. This is this revolves. And this just keeps coming naturally to you. So, you know, how can you change your primary question? Right. Everything is so embedded in you. How do you change it? And that’s that’s what I talk to people about, how you change the meanings that you have to change your primary question. So why does it always happen to me? This happened for a reason, a purpose. And it serves me.
Larry Olsen [00:09:25] The reason and a purpose in it disturbs me.
Dave Sanderson [00:09:28] Gotcha. I had this discussion, in fact, with Tony. We were sitting in a Jacuzzi in Fiji about this one, this topic right here. We’re talking. He just wants to open my mind to that because, you know, he told me, he said he’s right. This is why I. So power on this is, you know, you can do anything right. This happened to me for a reason. Great. But it serves me right. How you make a personal right, OK. Everything happens for a reason. And it serves me so when I have all at the end, I put it in my head. OK, it may not be positive right now, but this will serve you some time. And that’s what happened that day on the Hudson River. There’s so many things that worked in my life that probably, you know, I didn’t feel good about right. But they were there for a reason because they had to prepare me for that moment, a defining moment of our lives, which everybody has. Everybody’s got a defining moment. Maybe you might have many defining moments. But I think it was at least one, yeah,
Larry Olsen [00:10:28] so I don’t want to be obtuse here, but sometimes a little thick. OK, you got someone whose primary meaning is I’m not worthy. And that so that serves them now, does that serve them?
Dave Sanderson [00:10:48] I think the reason it serves is because you get all the pity to go on the significance on themselves. And it comes down to the six human needs that I talk about. Right. And you probably know six human needs, the need for certainty or control, the need for variety or uncertainty, the need for significance, or it’s all about me or the need for love and connection, need for growth and the need for contribution. We all have these needs. Every one of us has each of these needs. But everybody wants every one of us has one primary need that you and I for. I’ll be very candid. For many years, especially when I was in sales, specifically in sales, I was and driven significant drove it. I’ve got to got to get the trophy every month. I probably do. That is all about you is you block everybody else out. And that connection, right? Yeah, so that’s that’s what I said when some people have and I call it the plan B for a little me process. Right. So about me. So how is all of my guys know about you? Well, now you’re empowering them to keep going that direction. You bet.
Larry Olsen [00:11:54] Now, how do you how do you help someone recognize that?
Dave Sanderson [00:11:59] Well, you know, people started asking questions, but, you know, I I have my kids because my kids go through this right now, dad is you know, this Togba thing happened. I think I can congratulate my friends. Oh, my God, I, I could go and do my interview. I lost my internship. All people me I told my daughters that. Yeah. Look look at the other side of the equation. You’re living in a house. I’m buying all your food. You have no expenses. All you have to do is stay focused and look at your job. Yes. You didn’t get to walk in graduation. All right? There’s no people who never walked in graduation because they can’t walk. OK, so, you know, once again, it goes back to giving the proper perspective. So contract again, contract, you know, listen, it wasn’t good for any of us, right? Some people grew. So people did. Right. It’s all the way. You approached it and I approached it is this is a great opportunity for me to serve higher level.
Larry Olsen [00:12:59] So I think you’re so you’re so right on when you talk about serving it for a higher level, not serving at a higher level, serving for a higher level. And when you get into a culture in a company, you one that embraces associates, you get into them having the opportunity to be a part of something greater than self. So it can it can happen in a lot of different ways. As you put your head on the pillow and you have those evenings when you’re kind of like. Wow. Look at my life now. What are you most proud of and I don’t want to get into the deadly sin proud. But what are you most nice job, Dave. What is what is that come to mind when you say to yourself. Nice job, Dave. Our.
Dave Sanderson [00:13:57] I would go back to something my mom taught all of our kids or her kids, me, maybe my sister and brother, and she would not accept the word cancer. OK, now you said cancer. My mom said, you can’t do it. You’re going to do it. So you never said the word cancer. I, I believe, know with certainty that day. But going forward, I never heard. I never believed in our cancer. So therefore I always can. And if it comes down to perseverance and focus next I about focused execution, resourcefulness and gratitude. Those are three things. This is what I talk about. You hear me talk? I talk for hours, but it goes down to those three things, right? Because I never believed in the word of cancer. You never say it. Yeah. Let’s not take it like this. I believe a good start starts with ascertains that day. I don’t have any control. Only I can control is this. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it was a fire flying the plane, right? The plane’s going down the river. I made some choices, like I’m going to back of the plane to help people. Right. Which put me in a situation where I’m now back in chest deep water. Right. But yeah, I heard my mom say there’s no such words. Can’t. Right. Yeah. So, you know,
Larry Olsen [00:15:10] there wasn’t any hesitation on your part.
Dave Sanderson [00:15:12] No, I, you know, I heard my mom say, you know, she said if you do the right thing, God will take care. So she gave me the way I looked at that later on, like she’s sitting in the left hand of God right now. I’m not. Yeah. Maybe she’s clued in to some things. Maybe I’m not. But if I’m all I can tell my wife, my wife hates when I say this, my mom was never wrong, right? She may have been wrong, but I never saw it. So she’s always been right in my mind and my belief system. My mom was right. And if I did the right thing, whatever the right thing was for me, I’ll be OK. Someone will take care of me right now. I believe that’s what happened because I had no fear at that point.
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Larry Olsen [00:16:53] A lot of people don’t know this, but you and I had probably one of the most wonderful fifty five minutes I’ve had in a lifetime next to what we’re going through right now. And that’s when we did a podcast, a zoom experience together. And at the end, I realized something major had taken place, and that was I had not pushed the record button. And then when I rethought it, yes, I had pushed the record button. But Zune requires you another step after that, which was where do you want it recorded to? But I was so enamored by you and excited about the podcast that I just got into the conversation. And this is this tells you a lot about this man you’re listening to because his time is so valuable and and I’m not saying that our time is not valuable. Everyone out there listening time is valuable, but there’s a certain amount of money that can be attached to it because you can be doing a speaking engagement. You can be working for the Red Cross, helping them exceed the 14 million that he helped them in his donating his time for that. And yet, when we got done and you remember this, David, I said, wow, I don’t believe this. And you go, What? And I go, I didn’t record it. And you go, what does that mean? And it goes it means you and I are the only people in history of man who ever heard that. He goes, huh? So I don’t know what was going through your mind, but I was just I don’t think I ever felt worse. I got off, I went in, my wife said, how’d it go? And I let you not going to believe this. It was horrid. I was awful about how I felt because I had let you down and I had let the audience down and I had let myself down, because that’s not how I want to show up in life. And here’s what this guy says. He doesn’t say sorry, last chance. He goes, well, we’re going to have to do it again. I’ve been talking to Mad Men for thirty this afternoon. We’ll figure out another time. And here we are. So you are a testament to one that does not let the past interfere with what the opportunities are ahead. And from the bottom of my heart, I thank you for that. And I wanted to share it with the audience. So. And you so you don’t not tell a story because you think, well, Larry’s already heard that one. Not that you don’t have plenty. But, David, thank you so much for for this opportunity. And I went out of my way to make sure that we recorded this time even had my wife,
Dave Sanderson [00:19:38] you said, even hit the button. I checked first before I said a word if he does have the red button on. So thank you so much for those that were
Larry Olsen [00:19:44] so grateful of you. And it’s such a testament to a guy that perceived himself as being so egocentric and that I’ve got to win the trophy and it doesn’t matter what happens for me to do it and to that whole spin. And I. Did you recognize when you made that transition that that that was who you really were, not the guy that had to get the trophy?
Dave Sanderson [00:20:13] Yeah, I think we’re really talking about is when I started my work with the Red Cross, OK, I had to be recalled because I did that. I still do it. I don’t I take I don’t take any money from the Red Cross and tell
Larry Olsen [00:20:26] people why you’re so involved in the Red Cross.
Dave Sanderson [00:20:30] Well, there’s a few different reasons. But number one, they were there on the right off the coast at the dock when the boat came up and they helped me
Larry Olsen [00:20:39] tell them about the water temperature.
Dave Sanderson [00:20:40] And the water temperature was thirty six degrees, air temperature was eleven degrees. I’ve in the water for seven minutes. Two agencies and a Red Cross associate carry me and help me get to the tree center. And then later on that day, I had no clothes, but they took all my clothes because I was soaking wet. Somebody from the Red Cross. When I got some sweats, I had something to wear within the next day when I got back, the CEO of the Red Cross in Charlotte was with my family taking care of them. So I have three Red Cross experiences in a matter of fourteen. Eighteen hours. One of ours. Right. That’s told me something assets. So from this point on, I want to give back. You know, they asked me to do something. I told her I told her, give me a call. And I did just not need your help. We’re doing our annual fundraiser and we’re below our numbers. And you come out, just talk. I said, of course I’ll do anything for you. Right. So I came on talk and all of a sudden the numbers went for about two hundred people and about four hundred fifty people in the room and they exceeded their number. Good. And that’s the gave me the juice. They know what I can add value. So that’s why I spoke to over a hundred seventy Red Cross events and helped raise over some fourteen point seven million dollars. And I don’t take a stand for it. I do my book moments better. They got ten percent of every one of those books over, so I gave ten percent of them. So here it is. Whenever it was right, it might have been one hundred dollars a day. Am I the twenty next week, whatever it was. But I think they were appreciative of that too, because they don’t get any funding and they could use me as somebody who could share the story from somebody who was in the situation. Right. Who survives. Yeah, I could tell the Red Cross representative that I gave blood of over one hundred thirty some point pints of blood. So I have the whole story. So that’s why I do it like that.
Larry Olsen [00:22:30] That’s that’s fantastic. Yeah. And I wanted to just touch a moment on. This how excited are you about the new book that you’re writing and why?
Dave Sanderson: [00:22:46] I’m ecstatic. Number one, I’ve got book number three is done and we’re now into reality mode. And this is about the story about Bill, about how he came into my life and the lessons he taught me, how he taught me. But it’s also about those lessons my mom and dad taught me and how they started coming about it. It’s I’m really excited about this book because it shares insights going back to nineteen twenty nine. It tells a story not only how powerful mentorship is to somebody, but these lessons aren’t new. Yeah, but sometimes you just decide to try to. Right? So that’s what this book is about. In my book I’m writing right now From Turmoil to Triumph. It’s about January 16, 2009 on because what people don’t understand is see Dave’s on TV. And Dave’s on this, always out raising money, but they don’t see the roller coaster. OK, you see the turmoil that was really going on behind the scenes. There is one my team told me is that it’s time to tell it. Because what I want people to get out of this book is this the turmoil as we all watched last year. All right. People like you’ve been through, I want to share the strategies on how I overcame the turmoil after a plane crash when everything was going down here. It was within seconds of your life and then you’d be able to rebound. But the rebound is a straight up rebound just like this. OK, after this, I’m ecstatic about both of these books, and I can’t wait to get home because it’s going to be like the trilogy, Larry, who always matters that day. The story about Bill is about the prequel like the Star Wars one, two, three, and the terminal trials, like the latest saga with Star Wars. Right. The Post Empire. Right. So I like it to have a true ecstatic about it. And I’m really blessed to be able to have a team that understands the mission, who is who, who’s into the mission, and wants to make sure this mission is fully succeeding.
Larry Olsen [00:24:43] So what would your what would your people say that work with you and for you about how their boss treats them?
Dave Sanderson [00:24:55] Well, I don’t look at myself as a boss. We’re all team members. We all have something to add is one of the things that I look for the people who I get around, because this has been a challenge for me. I’ll be very candid. I rarely set boundaries until lately because I need people around me who understand and buy into the mission, understand the big picture where we’re going with this. And I’ve had people and you probably have people in your life that are there for other reasons. OK, right. Give an example. I thought I’m looking for two people that want to teach this to. I did not tell people I’m going to work on emersion. This will be a year and it’s going to be a costume. Because you know what? I want to make sure you’re all in. I’ve had people say, well, just give it to us right now and I’ll do it with you for a year. But I don’t want pay and I like. But you also the business. You have to go out to ten people yourself, but you’re not you’re not committed to the mission. Yeah. Yeah. So my team, I would say, is Dave understands this mission. We all buy into the mission and we’re going to help them achieve the mission. And we’re all going to benefit not only financially, but more importantly, we’re going to have a bigger understanding of why we do what we do and how we can serve at a higher level.
Larry Olsen [00:26:05] Beautiful, beautiful. You know, I I think that everyone who is listening to this right now is recognizing that you have not taken advantage of the situation, but capitalized and utilized the learnings to to make something greater take place. And every one of us has had our own plane crash. What do you recommend or suggest that we kind of reposition that in our mind, how how do you you talked about the recovery is a roller coaster. You’re going to have your highs and the lows as you’re as you’re reaching mission and your vision. And in some people get stuck in the trough, they get stuck in the low point and they start to make that reaction global, that this is going to this is the rest of my life not knowing that they’re going to be coming out of that. What is your what is your advice or mentoring for that situation?
Dave Sanderson [00:27:12] Well, thank you, because first No. One nothing is permanent. Some death taxes. That’s it. So I tell people know, you’re right. Some people have these global beliefs. Yes. And it’s always going to be this way. Well, no one is not really. If nothing is last year’s proven nothing every moment of every day. Now, something strange. Right? So nothing is permanent. The second day sort of address something you said earlier, because I had people. I had other passengers. I had people come to what? You should be making money off this. You should be doing this right. There’s always somebody who else needs to be doing this. I will give you the right to do this. And I was challenged with that for a while. And I start thinking, it’s like, you know what? You had the same opportunity that I did. You are one hundred fifty five people, there’s one hundred fifty five stories out there. Here’s the difference. I took the opportunity because when God opens the door, they’ll open the door for everybody, but he may not even open for it. You don’t take a walk through it. That door is going to close. You may not get that opportunity again. So I tell people said you have the same opportunities I have. Right. I took advantage of it. I walk through the door because God gave me the door opening. Yeah. And I tell people, if you don’t take that door opening does mean you’re a bad person. Just means you don’t know and you just go through the door, which means you may not get the same results, outcomes, you know, feedback. Somebody else does. Yeah. And not because of my life but I don’t shine anymore either. I the doors open, I evaluate very quickly because that door is closed up pretty quickly.
Larry Olsen [00:28:43] Well, you know, you can also we can also thank your mom for that, because when she taught you, you couldn’t use the word can’t it only left you with can and can is another word for. Yes. And that’s what most of us have to start doing more of now is saying yes to life and we’ll find ourselves in so many, much greater situations. Sometimes we’re uncomfortable. Sometimes we wonder whether we should set it or not. But I heard once one time that there’s no right or wrong decision, there’s just decisions. And then you go about making them right or wrong. And you have been a testament to that, my friend. And I and I and I really, from the bottom of my heart, feel that you are my friend and
Dave Sanderson [00:29:27] thank you very much.
Larry Olsen [00:29:29] Well, thank you. Thank you. And thank you again for giving us your time and maybe
Dave Sanderson [00:29:35] for the record. But there you go. Right. To execute us to look at.
Larry Olsen [00:29:44] That was the only thing I missed last time was the execution
Dave Sanderson [00:29:48] of the execution. You could get a you get all the way up, right. That you have to hit the button that was got hit the button. He’s got to hit the button. He’s got to hit the button.
Larry Olsen [00:29:57] Well, what would you like to share with everyone before we we wrap this up?
Dave Sanderson [00:30:03] Well, I appreciate that. I think you I want job to I’ll be sure some announcements are shortly, because something we just talked about came to me yesterday where I did say yes to something. And but I think it’s going to be a bigger perspective, give people a bigger perspective on how to overcome these turmoils. And and I can’t wait to announce this. I’m actually trying to get the details today. But I would say, you know, right now, you know, it’s all starts with gratitude. And I tell you, you can’t have any fear if you have gratitude. And what said what is gratitude that it’s getting you believing in something bigger than yourself, giving thanks to something bigger than yourself. You may call it God or Jesus. You may go about how you can call it whatever you want. But I think right now I would coach people, I do coach people’s start with gratitude, right? Just be grateful because you know what? You and I are alive right now. There’s five million people right now on this world alive because something out. Right. So somebody is looking down upon you to keep you around for a reason, right? Take advantage of that opportunity. Don’t just say poor little me. You’re here for a reason and a purpose. So to take take advantage of that, you may you may you may have lost your business. You may have lost your job. You may have lost a lot of people have. But you know what? There’s a lot of immigrants who come here, illegal immigrants to come across the border that started with nothing are now multimillionaires. Yeah, right. So there are there are patterns. There are strategies to find people who have the strategies and asking for help.
Larry Olsen [00:31:41] Beautiful. Well, you’ve been very helpful to all of us. And thank you again for being who you are and for all of you listening out there. Thank you for taking the time and recognizing that the opportunity is in front of you right now and start practicing what Davis taught us all and that there’s no can’t. There’s only can and be a testament of what occurs in one’s life when they live it on purpose. So thanks again, Dave Sanderson. I very much appreciate this opportunity and thank you all for taking the time to listen and all the best. And God bless.
Narrator [00:32:23] Join us for Larry’s next guest, Dr. Terry Murphy, one of the premier plastic surgeons in Scottsdale. You’ll learn about who gets plastic surgery and why the importance of valuing your own appearance, as well as what it’s like to hold another person’s self-image as well as self-esteem in your hands. You don’t want to miss this one.
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